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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2009/probably-wheres-the-atheist-spirit-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-65533</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some here are claiming that using the word &quot;probably&quot; is weak, as if atheists are making a positive claim for the non existence of God. This is no more true than trying to define other religions based on what they don&#039;t believe. An atheist isn&#039;t &quot;anti-theist&quot; - although they do exist. An atheist simply finds no compelling evidence to base a belief of God on.

We can&#039;t say for certain that no god exists; especially since the term is so wide ranging (are we talking about a specific God? If so which one?) However, as there is no positive evidence for a god; that is specific objective evidence that everyone has access to - not &#039;warm fuzzy feelings&#039;, I don&#039;t feel obligated to believe in one.

And to be honest, if the god of the bible were to prove his existence beyond all doubt, and confirm he was the god of the bible he would be the last entity I would worship. I mean, have you read about what that bloodthirsty, egotistical, homicidal, megalomaniac of a entity did in the bible? Readily admits that the small of burning flesh pleases him. Commands the killing of innocents. Wipes out the population of earth. Brings plagues. Try to total up all the evil that satan is responsible for and compare it to god. Thank god god doesn&#039;t exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some here are claiming that using the word &#8220;probably&#8221; is weak, as if atheists are making a positive claim for the non existence of God. This is no more true than trying to define other religions based on what they don&#8217;t believe. An atheist isn&#8217;t &#8220;anti-theist&#8221; &#8211; although they do exist. An atheist simply finds no compelling evidence to base a belief of God on.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t say for certain that no god exists; especially since the term is so wide ranging (are we talking about a specific God? If so which one?) However, as there is no positive evidence for a god; that is specific objective evidence that everyone has access to &#8211; not &#8216;warm fuzzy feelings&#8217;, I don&#8217;t feel obligated to believe in one.</p>
<p>And to be honest, if the god of the bible were to prove his existence beyond all doubt, and confirm he was the god of the bible he would be the last entity I would worship. I mean, have you read about what that bloodthirsty, egotistical, homicidal, megalomaniac of a entity did in the bible? Readily admits that the small of burning flesh pleases him. Commands the killing of innocents. Wipes out the population of earth. Brings plagues. Try to total up all the evil that satan is responsible for and compare it to god. Thank god god doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Man of Spin</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2009/probably-wheres-the-atheist-spirit-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-65306</link>
		<dc:creator>Man of Spin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, 

Pa-lease, stop drinking the kool-aid like a true believer!

If you would like to engage on an irenic level, and deal honestly with the opposing arguments, then please engage.  One of the key components in academia is to present an opposing position in such a manner that best represents what they hold!

What are you trying to achieve?  Convert the Christians?

This is not the place to throw out your sloganeering!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, </p>
<p>Pa-lease, stop drinking the kool-aid like a true believer!</p>
<p>If you would like to engage on an irenic level, and deal honestly with the opposing arguments, then please engage.  One of the key components in academia is to present an opposing position in such a manner that best represents what they hold!</p>
<p>What are you trying to achieve?  Convert the Christians?</p>
<p>This is not the place to throw out your sloganeering!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2009/probably-wheres-the-atheist-spirit-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-65303</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To rely on &quot;faith&quot; is, it seems to me, to be by definition: irrational, unreasonable and unaware of critical thinking</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To rely on &#8220;faith&#8221; is, it seems to me, to be by definition: irrational, unreasonable and unaware of critical thinking</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2009/probably-wheres-the-atheist-spirit-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-65300</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chad, you wrote: &quot;Atheists can believe what they want. Why do we seem to care so much? we have our faith and they have theirs.&quot; 

The first sentence is true. 

The second is a question that asks: &quot;why do (believers) care?&quot; I&#039;m not a beleiver, but my guess is that the so called new atheists, and also the counter appologists, enjoy bombarding believers with reality, some of which is so devastating that it makes beleivers into unbeleivers.

Your final sentence is a false analogy: You have &quot;faith&quot; in the existence of God because there is no evidence for his existence. Atheists do not practice faith. They have listened to the claims of religion about the existence of God, assessed the evidence that the like of William Lane Craig have put forward, they have read the books, and they have found the claims to be ridiculous. It&#039;s not faith that drives atheists, its rationality, critical thinking, and reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chad, you wrote: &#8220;Atheists can believe what they want. Why do we seem to care so much? we have our faith and they have theirs.&#8221; </p>
<p>The first sentence is true. </p>
<p>The second is a question that asks: &#8220;why do (believers) care?&#8221; I&#8217;m not a beleiver, but my guess is that the so called new atheists, and also the counter appologists, enjoy bombarding believers with reality, some of which is so devastating that it makes beleivers into unbeleivers.</p>
<p>Your final sentence is a false analogy: You have &#8220;faith&#8221; in the existence of God because there is no evidence for his existence. Atheists do not practice faith. They have listened to the claims of religion about the existence of God, assessed the evidence that the like of William Lane Craig have put forward, they have read the books, and they have found the claims to be ridiculous. It&#8217;s not faith that drives atheists, its rationality, critical thinking, and reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Man of Spin</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2009/probably-wheres-the-atheist-spirit-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-65239</link>
		<dc:creator>Man of Spin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chad, 

I was not questioning the veracity of your statements in any way, but was merely having some fun with the two examples that you used that were referenced by &quot;bear a&quot; and &quot;bear b&quot;!

Why do we care?

The Great Commission?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chad, </p>
<p>I was not questioning the veracity of your statements in any way, but was merely having some fun with the two examples that you used that were referenced by &#8220;bear a&#8221; and &#8220;bear b&#8221;!</p>
<p>Why do we care?</p>
<p>The Great Commission?!</p>
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		<title>By: chad</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2009/probably-wheres-the-atheist-spirit-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-65237</link>
		<dc:creator>chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man of Spin, 

When it comes to advertising law you can&#039;t say something is better than something else without enough proof to back in court, hence the word probably. 

If a church decided to run an ad they could not say something like “Christ is better than Buddha” because in the eyes of ad law there is no proof either way and if someone complained the advert would be removed. 

Its like saying TVNZ is better than TV3; there is now way of knowing.

Unfortunately belief shown in public is being bent by governments more and more. Atheists can believe what they want.  Why do we seem to care so much? we have our faith and they have theirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man of Spin, </p>
<p>When it comes to advertising law you can&#8217;t say something is better than something else without enough proof to back in court, hence the word probably. </p>
<p>If a church decided to run an ad they could not say something like “Christ is better than Buddha” because in the eyes of ad law there is no proof either way and if someone complained the advert would be removed. </p>
<p>Its like saying TVNZ is better than TV3; there is now way of knowing.</p>
<p>Unfortunately belief shown in public is being bent by governments more and more. Atheists can believe what they want.  Why do we seem to care so much? we have our faith and they have theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: Man of Spin</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2009/probably-wheres-the-atheist-spirit-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-65234</link>
		<dc:creator>Man of Spin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not heard of the religions&#039; &quot;bear a&quot; and bear b&quot; that the law sounds bound to make happy.  These do sound a little unbearable! 

Remember, Jesus is the Reason for this time in our cultural season!

Happy Yom Yeshua!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not heard of the religions&#8217; &#8220;bear a&#8221; and bear b&#8221; that the law sounds bound to make happy.  These do sound a little unbearable! </p>
<p>Remember, Jesus is the Reason for this time in our cultural season!</p>
<p>Happy Yom Yeshua!</p>
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		<title>By: chad</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2009/probably-wheres-the-atheist-spirit-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-65220</link>
		<dc:creator>chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record &quot;probably&quot; has to be used in the UK under ad law and the NZ lot are using the same slogan. They can&#039;t say there&#039;s not god because they would breach standards. It&#039;s like saying bear a is better than bear b you just cant do it.

People can beleave what they like. But are bound by law to make religion happy.

Happy Solstice people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record &#8220;probably&#8221; has to be used in the UK under ad law and the NZ lot are using the same slogan. They can&#8217;t say there&#8217;s not god because they would breach standards. It&#8217;s like saying bear a is better than bear b you just cant do it.</p>
<p>People can beleave what they like. But are bound by law to make religion happy.</p>
<p>Happy Solstice people.</p>
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		<title>By: Zionoo &#8212; Blog &#8212; Probably? Where#39;s the Atheist Spirit Gone? : bChristian News/b New b.../b</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zionoo &#8212; Blog &#8212; Probably? Where#39;s the Atheist Spirit Gone? : bChristian News/b New b.../b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read the rest here: Probably? Where#39;s the Atheist Spirit Gone? : bChristian News/b New b&#8230;/b [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steven Quirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Quirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon Fisher ,a fisher of men,of free thinkers.oh the irony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon Fisher ,a fisher of men,of free thinkers.oh the irony</p>
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		<title>By: The Whyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Whyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw the interview on TV1 for the &quot;probably no God&quot; representative who basically confirmed (if not directly admitting) that he takes his position by faith and cannot know whether God exists or not. 

i.e. an agnostic worldview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw the interview on TV1 for the &#8220;probably no God&#8221; representative who basically confirmed (if not directly admitting) that he takes his position by faith and cannot know whether God exists or not. </p>
<p>i.e. an agnostic worldview.</p>
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		<title>By: The Whyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Whyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Probably no God&quot; is antithetical to the original (and accurate) definition of &quot;atheism&quot; which is a: without/no and theos: God.

No rational person would claim that they have the powers of omniscience required to know or flatly assert &#039;there is no God&#039;. (since omnicence is an exclusive attribute of deity in any case)
This is why they needed to (baselessly) redefine &quot;atheism&quot; to mean lacking belief in God/s ..which is tantamount to claiming agnosticism.

(Perhaps pride is the issue for some since agnosticism&#039;s core meaning is to be an &#039;ignoramus&#039;,)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Probably no God&#8221; is antithetical to the original (and accurate) definition of &#8220;atheism&#8221; which is a: without/no and theos: God.</p>
<p>No rational person would claim that they have the powers of omniscience required to know or flatly assert &#8216;there is no God&#8217;. (since omnicence is an exclusive attribute of deity in any case)<br />
This is why they needed to (baselessly) redefine &#8220;atheism&#8221; to mean lacking belief in God/s ..which is tantamount to claiming agnosticism.</p>
<p>(Perhaps pride is the issue for some since agnosticism&#8217;s core meaning is to be an &#8216;ignoramus&#8217;,)</p>
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		<title>By: Christians Only &#8212; Blog &#8212; Probably? Where&#39;s the Atheist Spirit Gone? : Christian News New ...</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christians Only &#8212; Blog &#8212; Probably? Where&#39;s the Atheist Spirit Gone? : Christian News New ...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posted here: Probably? Where&#039;s the Atheist Spirit Gone? : Christian News New &#8230;  advertising, are-trying, britain, britain-stuff, has-upset, have-reported, religious-groups, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Man of Spin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Man of Spin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Brian, 

My pleasure!  Great site!

Every Christian blogger or bloggee should take a visit to Apologetics315... daring all other bloggers to follow suit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Brian, </p>
<p>My pleasure!  Great site!</p>
<p>Every Christian blogger or bloggee should take a visit to Apologetics315&#8230; daring all other bloggers to follow suit!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, Man of Spin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Man of Spin.</p>
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