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	<title>Comments on: Ok, the debate is on! Bill Craig and Bill Cooke</title>
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		<title>By: Bill Craig - Bill Cooke Debate &#124; Manawatu Christian Apologetics Society</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/debate-bill-craig-and-bill-cooke/comment-page-1/#comment-7050</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Craig - Bill Cooke Debate &#124; Manawatu Christian Apologetics Society</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ChristianJR4</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/debate-bill-craig-and-bill-cooke/comment-page-1/#comment-7020</link>
		<dc:creator>ChristianJR4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven Carr does this on every website about Craig. He won&#039;t engage in debate and instead just post something about Craig that is designed to make him look bad to people reading it.

&quot;Dawkins is hardly going to debate somebody he has publically called a theologian who justifies genocide.&quot;

Dawkins already denied having a debate with Craig way before he ever wrote that article so it he clearly has other reasons.

&quot;Do all Christians hear these voices in their head?&quot;

Are all Atheists as arrogant and insulting as you are? No but you give Atheists a bad rep and add to their already poor rep that they have in the United States and elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven Carr does this on every website about Craig. He won&#8217;t engage in debate and instead just post something about Craig that is designed to make him look bad to people reading it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Dawkins is hardly going to debate somebody he has publically called a theologian who justifies genocide.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dawkins already denied having a debate with Craig way before he ever wrote that article so it he clearly has other reasons.</p>
<p>&#8220;Do all Christians hear these voices in their head?&#8221;</p>
<p>Are all Atheists as arrogant and insulting as you are? No but you give Atheists a bad rep and add to their already poor rep that they have in the United States and elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Carr</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/debate-bill-craig-and-bill-cooke/comment-page-1/#comment-7010</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an interesting article describing how Christians hear voices in their head

http://christiannews.co.nz/2005/why-do-we-preach-a-foundation-for-preaching-part-three/

&#039;John Calvin described the internal testimony of the Holy Spirit as absolutely necessary in order for the individual to receive the Word:&#039;

How does the Holy Spirit testify except by using words? And how do you hear these words &#039;internally&#039; except by listening to the voices in your head?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an interesting article describing how Christians hear voices in their head</p>
<p><a href="http://christiannews.co.nz/2005/why-do-we-preach-a-foundation-for-preaching-part-three/" rel="nofollow">http://christiannews.co.nz/2005/why-do-we-preach-a-foundation-for-preaching-part-three/</a></p>
<p>&#8216;John Calvin described the internal testimony of the Holy Spirit as absolutely necessary in order for the individual to receive the Word:&#8217;</p>
<p>How does the Holy Spirit testify except by using words? And how do you hear these words &#8216;internally&#8217; except by listening to the voices in your head?</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Carr</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/debate-bill-craig-and-bill-cooke/comment-page-1/#comment-7009</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ordering whole tribes of men, women, and children to be killed is wrong.

Craig says it is right, if his god allegedly ordered it.

Craig says the Holy Spirit whispers to his spirit.

A whisper is a voice, so Craig is saying he hears voices in is head.

What does Craig experience when the Holy Spirit whispers to him?

Craig says he has the &#039;witness&#039; of the Holy Spirit.

What does a witness do except speak?

So how does Craig hear this &#039;witness&#039;?

Christians like JP Moreland claim that thoughts are planted in their head.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ordering whole tribes of men, women, and children to be killed is wrong.</p>
<p>Craig says it is right, if his god allegedly ordered it.</p>
<p>Craig says the Holy Spirit whispers to his spirit.</p>
<p>A whisper is a voice, so Craig is saying he hears voices in is head.</p>
<p>What does Craig experience when the Holy Spirit whispers to him?</p>
<p>Craig says he has the &#8216;witness&#8217; of the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>What does a witness do except speak?</p>
<p>So how does Craig hear this &#8216;witness&#8217;?</p>
<p>Christians like JP Moreland claim that thoughts are planted in their head&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Vrankovich</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/debate-bill-craig-and-bill-cooke/comment-page-1/#comment-7008</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Vrankovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to this debate. 

Dr. Cooke didn&#039;t really engage in the debate and he seemed to give up halfway through. He didn&#039;t answer Dr. Craig&#039;s points and even stopped his own rebuttal early. At one point he seemed to accuse Dr. Craig of being too rational, which is odd considering the society Dr, Cooke heads up. 

I think any Christian there would have been encouraged in his or her faith, both by Dr. Craig&#039;s arguments and by Dr. Cooke&#039;s inability to counter them. Also I would assume that many atheists there would have had their faith shaken.

Overall I was impressed at the good natured mood of both the debaters and the crowd - it was actually fun being there, and entertaining too.

The debate should be up on YouTube soon, and is worth watching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to this debate. </p>
<p>Dr. Cooke didn&#8217;t really engage in the debate and he seemed to give up halfway through. He didn&#8217;t answer Dr. Craig&#8217;s points and even stopped his own rebuttal early. At one point he seemed to accuse Dr. Craig of being too rational, which is odd considering the society Dr, Cooke heads up. </p>
<p>I think any Christian there would have been encouraged in his or her faith, both by Dr. Craig&#8217;s arguments and by Dr. Cooke&#8217;s inability to counter them. Also I would assume that many atheists there would have had their faith shaken.</p>
<p>Overall I was impressed at the good natured mood of both the debaters and the crowd &#8211; it was actually fun being there, and entertaining too.</p>
<p>The debate should be up on YouTube soon, and is worth watching.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/debate-bill-craig-and-bill-cooke/comment-page-1/#comment-7002</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven, you are talking gibberish. I asked you to show me WHERE Craig said what you claimed -- so where is it? From your worldview, what is wrong with genocide anyway?

Voices in heads? Are u being sarcastic???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven, you are talking gibberish. I asked you to show me WHERE Craig said what you claimed &#8212; so where is it? From your worldview, what is wrong with genocide anyway?</p>
<p>Voices in heads? Are u being sarcastic???</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Carr</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/debate-bill-craig-and-bill-cooke/comment-page-1/#comment-6984</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dawkins is hardly going to debate somebody he has publically called a theologian who justifies genocide.

William Lane Craig will no doubt have more whispers from the Holy Spirit.

Do all Christians hear these voices in their head?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawkins is hardly going to debate somebody he has publically called a theologian who justifies genocide.</p>
<p>William Lane Craig will no doubt have more whispers from the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>Do all Christians hear these voices in their head?</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/debate-bill-craig-and-bill-cooke/comment-page-1/#comment-5669</link>
		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 14:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bugs people? I&#039;m just wondering what on earth it means. If it&#039;s there to bug people, well...I don&#039;t understand why you&#039;d just want to bug people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bugs people? I&#8217;m just wondering what on earth it means. If it&#8217;s there to bug people, well&#8230;I don&#8217;t understand why you&#8217;d just want to bug people.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/debate-bill-craig-and-bill-cooke/comment-page-1/#comment-5638</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 05:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how it bugs people soooo much :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how it bugs people soooo much <img src='http://christiannews.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/debate-bill-craig-and-bill-cooke/comment-page-1/#comment-5636</link>
		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 04:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah....yes, that&#039;s the purpose to my comparison. So are you going to ignore my question? Is it a spelling mistake or who are the &quot;Elusive Brethren&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah&#8230;.yes, that&#8217;s the purpose to my comparison. So are you going to ignore my question? Is it a spelling mistake or who are the &#8220;Elusive Brethren&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/debate-bill-craig-and-bill-cooke/comment-page-1/#comment-5634</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 01:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no such thing as a &quot;darwinist&quot;. Cedric said so, didn&#039;t he?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no such thing as a &#8220;darwinist&#8221;. Cedric said so, didn&#8217;t he?</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/debate-bill-craig-and-bill-cooke/comment-page-1/#comment-5621</link>
		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 00:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I just ask: What does &quot;Sponsored by the Elusive Brethren &amp; Right Wing American Fundamentalists&quot; mean. Is &#039;elusive&#039; a misspelling of &#039;exclusive&#039;, and do the exclusive brethren really sponsor a website? Surely the web is even worse than TV!!
Else what Christian org. would joke about being &#039;right wing fundamentalists&#039;? That would be like a Darwinist calling themself a Darwinist! Hah! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I just ask: What does &#8220;Sponsored by the Elusive Brethren &amp; Right Wing American Fundamentalists&#8221; mean. Is &#8216;elusive&#8217; a misspelling of &#8216;exclusive&#8217;, and do the exclusive brethren really sponsor a website? Surely the web is even worse than TV!!<br />
Else what Christian org. would joke about being &#8216;right wing fundamentalists&#8217;? That would be like a Darwinist calling themself a Darwinist! Hah! <img src='http://christiannews.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/debate-bill-craig-and-bill-cooke/comment-page-1/#comment-5260</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 11:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was hoping Cedric would tell me something about her from the skeptics pov.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hoping Cedric would tell me something about her from the skeptics pov.</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/debate-bill-craig-and-bill-cooke/comment-page-1/#comment-5254</link>
		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 09:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand your point, admin!

http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&amp;q=astrology+works&amp;btnG=Search&amp;meta=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand your point, admin!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&#038;safe=off&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&#038;q=astrology+works&#038;btnG=Search&#038;meta=" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&#038;safe=off&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&#038;q=astrology+works&#038;btnG=Search&#038;meta=</a></p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/debate-bill-craig-and-bill-cooke/comment-page-1/#comment-5251</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 08:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here if the woman apparently dramatically and miraculously healed:

http://deloreswinder.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here if the woman apparently dramatically and miraculously healed:</p>
<p><a href="http://deloreswinder.com/" rel="nofollow">http://deloreswinder.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/debate-bill-craig-and-bill-cooke/comment-page-1/#comment-5202</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another debater of great standing is James White: www.aomin.org. Most of his debates have been against the cults but more recently with Muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another debater of great standing is James White: <a href="http://www.aomin.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.aomin.org</a>. Most of his debates have been against the cults but more recently with Muslims.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/debate-bill-craig-and-bill-cooke/comment-page-1/#comment-5201</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks 4 the info and links from your YouTube site, ChristianJR4. 

http://www.youtube.com/user/Christianjr4

Really good to see Craig debating Muslims. This is undoubtedly going to become an important factor as more Muslims enter the West, and gain access to Western sources and thinking.

Full debate here:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7297A28D87C53BE7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks 4 the info and links from your YouTube site, ChristianJR4. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/Christianjr4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/user/Christianjr4</a></p>
<p>Really good to see Craig debating Muslims. This is undoubtedly going to become an important factor as more Muslims enter the West, and gain access to Western sources and thinking.</p>
<p>Full debate here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7297A28D87C53BE7" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7297A28D87C53BE7</a></p>
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		<title>By: ChristianJR4</title>
		<link>http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/debate-bill-craig-and-bill-cooke/comment-page-1/#comment-5193</link>
		<dc:creator>ChristianJR4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 16:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just realized that Bill Cooke had an internet debate with the then Muslim philosophy student named Imran Aijaz (Aijaz has probably now received his doctorate).

The debate can be read here:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/bill_cooke/cooke-aijaz/

What&#039;s interesting is that the Muslim student doesn&#039;t pull any of the traditional ridiculous arguments we often see from many Muslim apologists today (like Naik). Rather this was much more &quot;high level&quot; type argumentation. In fact Aijaz used William Lane Craig&#039;s Kalam Cosmological argument and also argued from the Fine Tuning of the universe. 

On the flip side, however, Dr. Bill Cooke largely ignored his opponent&#039;s case and was surprisingly caustic, arrogant and insulting to his opponent. Even Richard Carrier in his review of the debate commented on his &quot;insulting&quot; approach. I won&#039;t at all be surprised if Dr. Cooke has the same type of attitude or insulting style when he debates Craig. Hopefully Craig goes into this debate prepared ahead of time for such an approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just realized that Bill Cooke had an internet debate with the then Muslim philosophy student named Imran Aijaz (Aijaz has probably now received his doctorate).</p>
<p>The debate can be read here:<br />
<a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/bill_cooke/cooke-aijaz/" rel="nofollow">http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/bill_cooke/cooke-aijaz/</a></p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting is that the Muslim student doesn&#8217;t pull any of the traditional ridiculous arguments we often see from many Muslim apologists today (like Naik). Rather this was much more &#8220;high level&#8221; type argumentation. In fact Aijaz used William Lane Craig&#8217;s Kalam Cosmological argument and also argued from the Fine Tuning of the universe. </p>
<p>On the flip side, however, Dr. Bill Cooke largely ignored his opponent&#8217;s case and was surprisingly caustic, arrogant and insulting to his opponent. Even Richard Carrier in his review of the debate commented on his &#8220;insulting&#8221; approach. I won&#8217;t at all be surprised if Dr. Cooke has the same type of attitude or insulting style when he debates Craig. Hopefully Craig goes into this debate prepared ahead of time for such an approach.</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 08:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. But I assume that its gist will allow me to calim all manner of absurd things despite an abhorrent lack of evidence....Russell&#039;s teapot etc.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. But I assume that its gist will allow me to calim all manner of absurd things despite an abhorrent lack of evidence&#8230;.Russell&#8217;s teapot etc.</p>
<p> <img src='http://christiannews.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 07:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And you will never, ever find evidence that warrants the hypothesis that faith-healing or prayer works.&lt;/i&gt;

Does proving a universal negative ring any bells?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And you will never, ever find evidence that warrants the hypothesis that faith-healing or prayer works.</i></p>
<p>Does proving a universal negative ring any bells?</p>
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